Nude Name – A nudist by any other name is just as cool?
There is a hot topic that often surfaces for discussion in the naturist world: nudists’ use of pseudonyms. Though we have come a long way from forbidding the use of last names at nudist resorts, many people still choose to use pseudonyms for their online nudist identity today. There are many different reasons cited for doing so, from hiding it from non-nudist friends and family to employment concerns to just plain privacy. It is a personal choice, and most agree that everyone is free to make their own choice in this matter.
However, many say this practice hurts the nudist movement because it sends a message to the public that it’s bad and shameful. They say we need to be open with everyone about being a nudist so it will gain acceptance and understanding among the public.
For those of you who may not know, Felicity Jones is not my real name. It’s a name I use online for my blog and all YNA platforms and social networks. Jordan does the same, and it has often been a point of criticism for us as leaders of a naturist organization. We each have our own reasons for this, but I do have a few points to make about this topic.
1. I believe I have just as much a right to use a pseudonym as authors, journalists, singers, actors and so on. The nudist world seems to be one of the only “places” where the use of pen names is a big issue.
2. There is a big difference between using an alternate name and being anonymous. Anonymous refers to those who use a fake name or no name at all, have no photo and zero information available about themselves. As a leader and a blogger, it is essential for me to be out there in other ways to connect with my community and readers. I am not just a name, but an online personality and a real, visible person.
3. At the same time, I also have a right to privacy as an individual. A pseudonym allows me to keep my public and private life separate.
4. The fact of the matter is that while I am using a pseudonym, I’m not “hiding.” If you don’t know this already, I am not in any way “ashamed of being a nudist” or trying to hide it from anyone. All my friends and family know that I’m a nudist. I also don’t hesitate to tell anyone I meet about YNA or nudism nor do I hesitate to tell them my real name in person.
As a leader of YNA for the last (almost) two years, using a pseudonym has never caused any issues for me or Jordan, other than some minor confusion at times. The only time there has been an issue is when others disrespect me and my privacy and try to hurt me by publicly sharing my name / personal information.
I know there are people in the YNA community who use a separate nude name, and a great number of people who do this in the naturist community at large. I do encourage others to be open and tell their friends, family, coworkers about nudism (see Closets Are For Clothes), but it is totally up to the individual, and we respect their choice, always.
What do you guys think? Is it okay for nudists / naturists to use pseudonyms? Do nudists using a pseudonym hurt the public perception of nudism?
Category: Felicity's Nudist Blog By Felicity Jones
About the Author (Author Profile)I'm Felicity, author of Felicity's Blog and co-founder of Young Naturists America. I write about nudism and naturism in today's world along with issues like top-freedom and body acceptance, and various naked topics. Enjoy, and leave a comment when you've got something to say! :)
Does anyone know who is Joseph Aloisius Ratzinger ?
That is is the real name of someone who uses a Nickname, a Pen Name or an Alias.
Is he hiding something ? Is he dishonest with the world because he's not using his real name? I need someone who helps me, because I think and Believe that Jordan and Felicity are (for me) as honest as Joseph Aloisius Ratzinger is, and I love and respect them for what they are, what they do, and what they teach me, regardless of the name they use. If anyone of you wants to condemn Felicity and Jordan for that, please do the same with Mr. Joseph Aloisius Ratzinger, because they have the same right than that gentleman to use real or nicknames as they want.
Nudist leaders in the past have used pseudonyms. One of the leaders in the 80's and 90's was the late Paul Penhollow based in Syracuse. Paul Penhollow was not his real name. Not sure why he didn't use his real name.
You have every right to use pseudonyms whether on a nudist site or any site for whatever reasons. At least you are using a legitimate sounding and not something like "Snoop Lioness".
Too bad that some so called leaders of other youth naturist organization felt it was their business to out you by using your real names.
I am in full support of all that you do with YNA. As for the use of a pseudonym, it does serve its purposes, and clearly you are not trying to hide. Your values are clear and equal to mine. My full name is Roy Michael Blakely. I go by my middle name. As for my choice, no matter where the fight is for Nudism, I feel the need to use my actual name, as it is on my first published book. I love what you do, and I am glad you are out there doing it. Nudism/Naturism is everything to me, as an intrinsic part of my faith. I even think of it as my religion! To that end, I say that Nude is B.E.S.T.! Beautiful, Ethical, Sexy, and Therapeutic. In the end, I don't think what one calls themself has anything to do with what hurts the Nudist movement. Using Nudism/Naturism for ones own extreme ends, to take advantage of and abuse others is what hurts the movement. Many of those types never even set foot inside of a nudist resort as a predator (the idiots bear the exception of course) because a lot of their prey are unclear or unknowing of the nudist movement, unless of course the predator is using a said resort to further seduce their prey already in their clutches, with a false sense of comfort! Just one mans opinion. Please keep spreading the Nude Word!
Pretty much all the non nudist people I talked to about this reacted as if they could care less. With the exception of one "young person", I have not run across any other younger nudists that strongly believe this is an issue. The interesting thing is that almost all the criticism with regards to this one topic is coming from the older generation of nudists. So perhaps what we have here is a generational gap in the approach to nudism?
This younger generation that grew up with the internet, google and facebook is obviously more sensitive to privacy issues. They understand why people want to retain a certain amount of anonymity in their personal lives and they respect their decision. Just because someone does something differently, it does not mean they are doing something wrong.
I am constantly amazed by how closed minded some people in the nudist movement can be. A little support, respect and encouragement go a long way and I for one think we have earned it. Hell, how many people here can say they really put themselves out there like Felicity has?
I don’t think people understand just how intense situations can get. She has taken all kinds of abuse from people in the nudist world for not using her real name. People say that she is hiding or ashamed but in reality she has done more for the movement than most.
Being completely nude in times square takes guts (can’t be more out there than that), she was arrested while exercising her right to be top free, she organizes events, published articles ( in the nudist world as well as the mainstream) and the list goes on and on and on and on.
I for one, feel that everything she is doing outweighs any of the arguments that I have heard so far. If we were ashamed then we would only be behind a computer and not out there and in public working our butts off every single day.
@JordanBlum Hey, take it easy on the 'old folks', ok? There may be a generational connection but we've heard from plenty of 'youngsters' who are in a hurry for everyone to 'come out' and be 'honest' and 'unashamed'. Actually, more from the young who have less to lose and live in a different world than the one the oldsters grew up in. They also tend to see things very myopically due to their short experience in the real world where actions do have consequences, sometimes long later.
There are those who want to wave banners from rooftops and change the world overnight, and more power to 'em as long as they don't embarrass the rest of us unduly. That's certainly their right; it's not as if there's an official 'How to be a Real Nudist' regulation book, though to listen to some you might think there was! Yeah, yeah, mea culpa on that one sometimes!
It saddens to see such vehement argument about something that is of so little importance and totally up to personal choice. There's no reason for anger over this; it's simply a difference of opinion and not worthy of causing any sort of rift between folks who have so much in common to share.
@All-Nudist Sorry... I reread the post and I see how it can come off as a bit harsh... sorry about that and I did not mean to bash anyone. You could probably dance me under the table any day of the week :)
@JordanBlum Actually, all the arguments you make support the idea that being open is better, so why not just drop the pretentious names?You also have to consider that sticking to your guns and retaining your assumed names is more closed-minded than the attitudes of "the older generation of nudists". Just sayin'.And you know that I have given you nothing but "support, respect and encouragement" every step of the way. I've never brought up the anonymity issue, it was Felicity who posed the question. I respectfully suggest that if you are not willing to listen to opposing opinions, and respect those opinions, then don't ask the question in the first place. Felicity obviously feels that the use of pseudonyms is a valid issue, otherwise she would not have broached the subject in the first place.Nobody is saying that you or Felicity are ashamed, or that you are not doing good work. All I am saying is that the use of pseudonyms does not further the nudist and naturist causes, because it plays to the public perception that we are doing something shameful. That's far different than saying that you or Felicity are ashamed.And please, please drop the "generation gap" argument. You've been anti-AANR from the outset, and you do yourselves no good by continuing to bash us older people. When you are 58 like I am, I doubt that you will feel as old as you perceive me to be. So please, drop the ageism, you are sounding more and more like Robbe and Anna, and that's not a good thing.
First and foremost I want you to know that I appreciate your support. I think by now you know, and feel, how much I appreciate what you have to say. Even if at times we don't see eye to eye I know that you have the best intentions at heart and that is the most important thing. Also, it is okay to disagree.... That is what makes life so interesting.
As for comparing me to the likes of Robbe - that was uncalled for and a bit on the mean side ;)
I did not mean to come off as anti anything. I was just stating the fact that most of the negative comments that I got about this particular issue were coming from the older age bracket of the nudist movement (that is the simple fact and not intended to come off as derogatory).
I don't care how old someone is or what they look like. I care what they say, what they do and how they conduct themselves. I have taken many hits for being non judgmental and non discriminatory. Those scars a wear as a badge of honor because it is in line with my outlook on life.
I don't feel that using a pen name is pretentious... perhaps the opposite might be taken as such. I say this because some people have used the fact that they post using their own names as a way of saying "I am better than you" or "I am honest and you are not" and so on.
If the public is fine with pen names then I do not see any harm in continuing to do so. So far I have not seen any evidence that this is an issue in mainstream america. People seem to care less and less about such things... they only care about the bottom line and what is actually being done.
As far as AANR - I have not been "anti-AANR from the outset". You have made this comment a number of times and I would like you to please refrain from doing so in the future. You are referring to the first PR that was sent out and since then I have done perhaps 30 things in support of AANR. Your past comments might be taken as anti-AANR but I see no reason to constantly bring them up. Even the first PR was not as harsh as some make it out to be... it did the job of finally getting someone at AANR to at least reply to an email.
Again, I mean no disrespect to anyone... debating is healthy and important. The more people that comment and get involved the better. I rely heavily on feedback because I feel we can all learn something from anyone, we just have to be open enough to accept the fact that we don't know everything and we all make mistakes ;)
@ChetKresiak But that is simply untrue. Only within the community people make it about shame or about hiding something. I have asked a ton of people and posed the question in a couple of non nudist forums and so far I am not finding anything to back that claim.
Hey I made a pseudonym just to post this!
I'm familiar with a number of subcultures where the use of pseudonyms is common, especially for online identities. Nudists are the only ones I've ever seen who think it's any sort of issue. Which is just weird. It does *a lot* of harm and *no* good to attack people who wish to participate in a pseudononymous or even wholly anonymous fashion. And no one is in a position to judge anyone else for making that choice - one simply can't know what their reasons are.
I've also known entirely too many female friends who've dealt with stalkers and other sorts of unwanted attention, and that's without advertising the fact that they walk around naked. Felicity is brave for putting herself out there as much as she does, as visibly as she does, and as accessible as she is. That she chooses to use a pseudonym which makes it a little more difficult for some psycho to look up her home address or place of work is a totally reasonable and harmless step to take. It'd be nice to live in a world where young beautiful women sharing nude pictures of themselves didn't have to worry about such things, but the fact is they do.
I don't even know if that's her motivation, or something else. It doesn't matter. Point is no one in this thread is in a position to judge the value of using a pseudonym except for Felicity herself.
And as to the idea that it somehow undermines her value as a leader... well, reality puts lie to that argument.
@Pseudonymasaurus AMEN Pseudonymasaurus! (Do you have little tiny hands and a huge body?)
@Pseudonymasaurus The problem here is that Felicity writes in her posting that she encourages "others to be open and tell their friends, family, coworkers about nudism."As for women putting themselves "out there", take a look at the Naturist Society and AANR, which both have very highly visible women at the helm - Nicky Hoffman Lee and Susan Weaver. In addition, most of the people in their supporting staffs are women. Melissa Lapier was just named AANR-East Woman of the Year. Moira Johnston is walking topless through the streets of New York City to promote women's topfree equality. There are many other examples of women standing up for nudism and equality, and using their true identities at the same time.And leaders are always judged for the openness and honesty, or lack thereof, that's the nature of the beast.
@ChetKresiak What you quoted is exactly what Felicity does, and quite well I might add, so I don't see the problem. She doesn't hide the fact that she's a nudist from anyone, to the best of my knowledge. She's pretty open about the fact that "Felicity" is in fact a pseudonym, and her real name is available to anyone who gets to know her - total honesty.
And look - some women are comfortable using their real name. Good for them, in all sincerity. Felicity isn't. She has her reasons, I'm sure. But to reiterate what I said above, no one is in a position to judge her for it.
And to be honest, I find all the giving her a hard time for it kind of tasteless - I'll only speak for myself, but personally I have *no idea* what it's like to experience life as a sexually attractive young woman who's a public face of social nudity in a world that's still awash in misogynism, and largely equates female nudity with sexual availability. Felicity does know what it's like, and this is the decision she's made, and I respect that.
This discusses the problems with "real names" more generally, but I think it's applicable to this discussion: http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Who_is_harmed_by_a_%22Real_Names%22_policy%3F
@Pseudonymasaurus NOBODY - repeat - NOBODY is giving Felicity a "hard time". She asked a question, and it's been answered. I stand by my opinion.
What I am surprised at is that there are very few people paying attention to the real point here. Felicity and Jordan are leaders (you said so yourself) of a group, or some would say a movement, and as such you operate on different terms than your followers. Identity lends credibility to ones cause. You cannot deny that this, otherwise what name you use wouldn't be under such scrutiny and there would be nothing to talk about.
I agree that this is a sensitive movement to be part of, and as such we have a right to choose a pseudonym if we so choose. But as a leader, you have to gain the trust of your listeners... when you speak through a fake name it is like speaking through a disguise that implies shame and distrust even if you are open about your appearance.
Also, you cannot compare yourself to an artist/author with a pen name... those pen names were not meant to disguise their true identity, they were made to reinvent themselves as a new person or to differentiate their public person from their personal one which can be very different as a public persona usually involves a lot of acting and theatrics. Are you trying to reinvent yourself? Is your public persona a theatrical display meant for the entertainment of others? Somehow I don't think so.
Having met you both, and knowing your real names, I was surprised how much it bothers you when I accidentally used your fake names to address you in person. In fact, I have to say it was a source of a lot of confusion for me in the beginning, like why would they use a fake name as leaders? And why are they so bothered when people get confused as to what to call them?
I am somewhat disturbed by some of the extremeness of the views here. I support those who say its a matter of choice. Those in the queer world will be very familiar with these arguments. I would be interested to hear how many people have been harmed by being known to be a naturist? Obviously in an ideal and totally tolerant world, we would all like to be out of the closet, but one just has to look at how those who run for public office have their private lives scrutinised and pilloried.
I created a nudist specific "handle" awhile back and still use it because a lot of people are familiar with it but I started to use "unified" profiles (on Facebook and Yahoo) too once I made the decision to allow my real name to be use in public records associated with a couple of different nudist organizations. I use target audiences on Facebook a lot not out of shame but to avoid offending some. I didn't log in with Facebook here simply because I don't trust Facebook apps in general and don't like them posting on my behalf or targeting my friends list.
Oh, and @ChetKresiak I seem to recall that you used an online personna for some time in the blogosphere.
@clothesbegone Yes, and I've mentioned that, perhaps not here, but on a Facebook thread about this issue. I've never said that the use of "pen names" is without some purpose. The point I am making is about nudist and naturist leaders, and how important it is to set an example for others by being as open as possible..
I used to use a pen name back in the beginning. At that time, I was a new nudist and didn't want the whole world to know that I'm a nudist just yet. But I am not a person who likes secrets- and have good reason to hate secrets- so I refuse to hide behind an alternative name now. If someone has a problem with me being a nudist, that's their problem, not mine. My old pen name, by the way, was Melissa Starr, which was a pen name but also just my first and middle name (ie. omitting my last name) so it really wasn't all that different from reality. BUT, this is what works for me based on where I'm at in my journey of accepting every part of myself and realizing that if other people have problems with me, it's their problem. Not everyone is coming from the same place and I can respect that.
Felicity wrote, 1. I believe I have just as much a right to use a pseudonym as authors, journalists, singers, actors and so on. The nudist world seems to be one of the only “places” where the use of pen names is a big issue."
This statement is totally untrue. There are no pen names in politics, the corporate world, and virtually every segment of everyday life. Try getting a job, a driver's license, a credit card, a bank account, or filing your taxes using a "pen name". The examples you mention are exceptions, not the rule.On the YNA website, one of the stated goals of the organization is "Creating an online database of people who have been noted for highly questionable or concerning activities and/or unlawful, disrespectful or delinquent behavior while using the identity of nudists/naturists." So you are all for "outing" certain people with which you disagree, yet you are adverse to outing yourself.Sorry, Felicity, but you cannot have this both ways.
No pen names in politics? I beg to differ. South Carolina governor Nikki Haley? Real name: Nimrata Randhawa Haley. Louisiana governor Bobby Jindal? Real name: Piyush Jindal. Why don't these two public figures use their real names? What are they hiding? Should we trust them?
@ErikJakobsen You want to make serious comments, then I will respond, so let's keep this from being ridiculous, please.
What was it about my comment that wasn't serious?
How about Malcolm X as a leader with a pen name? Did his actions hurt the civil rights movement because he used a pen name?
Agree completely. A person's identity is one of the few things she/he owns, and is a key to everything personal. Those in the public eye subject themselves to a scrutiny that most people never do, and open themselves to risks in many ways. There's no shame in desiring to protect one's privacy, and doing so diminishes in no way the accomplishments made under a pseudonym. Your organization has obvious substance and is easily discernible from nudist 'dating' sites or anything remotely similar.
You're doing a fine job here; there's no need to invite everyone into your living room if you don't want to. If there's ever a need or desire to go more public, that's your choice. Just because someone wants to make a difference doesn't mean they have to want to be public figures; there are plenty of other people out there who just love see their names in print, get a spokesperson if you ever need one.
At All-Nudist we're just us, Angie & Steve. That's us, our names, our friends know who we are. You don't need our middle or last names, our street address or phone number to decide if we're 'credible'. If you don't think so, then go somewhere you think is.
It's really no big deal.
Hi Felicity and Jordan, My name is Mary Clare Mulhall. Tom has told me he has e-mailed with you guys. Personally, I don't care what name you use as you are a face of young nudists. however, Tom and I have never hid behind anything and I suggest someday, you guys do the same. Everyone's situation is different however, and I respect whatever decision you come to.
And you are right, it is only long time nudists who care> Newbies, could care less.
Good luck to you guys. MC
I don't see any lack of honesty from Felicity or Jordan. They offer you and everyone the chance to see and talk to them in person, face to face on every event they organize. Felicity doesn't hide her face or her entire body on the web or at the events.
Using pseudonyms also help people to take the first step into nudist lifestyle. Not everyone belongs to an open mind family and relatives, or friends and neighbors, or culture and religion. For some people, being open nudist means leave everything : home, friends, job, school, etc. and I like YNA respects this privacy. We are individuals and that means each one has different ideas, different thoughts, different points of view and different concepts and opinions.
Think about this : Marilyn Monroe is not Marilyn Monroe; Lady Ga Ga is not Lady Ga Ga; and like this 2 simple samples, you can name many well known people recognized by the world by their Nicknames or pseudonyms or pen names.
Are they dishonest people ? I don't think so.
Felicity and Jordan, I think you are doing very well. If anyone wants to know more about your personal life, then come to the events and ask as many questions as they want, but at the same time, they should respect your right to privacy.
@Randybej Assumed names in the entertainment industry are done to create some sort of persona, to create an illusion. Also, just about everyone knows that Marilyn Monroe was really Norma Jean Baker. I would hope that with nudism we are trying to deal with the real world and not some sort of Hollywood dream.
I think everyone should have the right to go by a different name if they want to. I'd imagine that, given the circumstances, some might prefer to keep anonymous. I have heard that people have lost their jobs over nudism. There are still hateful people in the world. On the other hand, I think nudists should and need to come forward about their nudism eventually, otherwise, nudism will remain a marginalized part of society, and misconceptions about the lifestyle with persist. Nudists should embrace their beliefs and be proud. But again, not everyone may be ready to do so.
@NickAlimonos How to you ever expect things to change if nudists continue to remain in the closet? You worry about nudists losing jobs or being attacked by "hateful people" - that's because anonymity is a sign of weakness, that there's something to hide. You want acceptance? Then you need to stand up and be counted, especially if you purport to be a naturist leader.
@ChetKresiak Firstly, let me make it a point to say that my real full name is Nick Alimonos. Secondly, I have come out as a nudist on my blog and on my Facebook account. I honestly wish that every nudist thought the way you do, and in time I think it is going to happen. However, we cannot force or ostracize people who wish to remain anonymous. There may be circumstances that you yourself are not familiar with or cannot relate to. Someone that depends on his job, or doesn't want to be ridiculed by friends and family, may prefer to remain anonymous. Perhaps someone who comes from a strict religious background. I think it's up to a courageous few, like ourselves, to pave the road for the future of nudists. That's why on my blog I wrote an article "What Naturism Means to Me" in order to dispel the many myths about nudism, and to show that it's not a bunch of people wanting to ogle body parts.
@NickAlimonos Please note that nobody has suggested to force people into "coming out", or to ostracize them if they wish to remain secretive. All I am saying is that Felicity and Jordan set a bad example by retaining false identities. If naturist leaders remain anonymous, what hope is there for more openness in the future?
@JustinaWalford @NickAlimonos And I applaud her for that, but again, there are millions of people naked on the Internet showing their faces. One cannot advocate for the mainstreaming of naturism, and encourage others to be open about their naturist activities, when one is still hiding behind a pseudonym.
@JustinaWalford @NickAlimonos Sorry, that argument doesn't fly. There are millions of people naked on the Internet anonymously. It is neither intelligent nor open to use a pseudonym while at the same time claiming to be a naturist leader. This is a fundamental principle of leadership, and using a fake name demonstrates weakness and vulnerability.
Should be each person's choice just as one body size doesn't fit all for nudist so one response may not be right for everyone. If being public with your name fits your circumstances of life and work then do it. No one else should have to follow that path if it doesn't work for them and they should not be considered ashamed of being nudist their csituation is just different. That attitude can scare new nudist off it certainly did me for a while.
Sorry, Felicity, I don't agree. Both you and Jordan are leaders of YNA and have a responsibility to set an example for your members and readers. The longer you both use pseudonyms, the longer you continue to send a message that naturism is something to be ashamed of. Time to out yourselves, my friends.
@ChetKresiak Chet, it's as if you think in absolutes, and there is no middle ground on this. What if most people don't even realize I'm using a pen name? Or don't care until you say something?
The funny thing is it's usually nudists who react negatively to this detail. In the textile world, I get "Oh, ok."
I really don't see this as a big deal, for the reasons stated above, and it hasn't been for the whole time I've been doing YNA.
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@ErikJakobsen The idea is to stop it from being a Catch-22, and hiding behind fake names is not going to help public perceptions.
Thank you for noting it's a catch-22. That we can agree on. :)
@ErikJakobsen Eric, please don't put words into my mouth, I never said that YNA was not doing quality work. Felicity and Jordan know how much I promote their posts and activities.And nobody is saying that any nudist or naturist has to "risk damaging their personal lives". Nobody is suggesting that coming out of the closet is mandatory.Look, this is simple. Felicity asked a question, and I answered that yes, I feel that the use of pseudonyms hurts the nudist and naturist cause, especially when it concerns nudist leaders. I never gave anyone an ultimatum, or demeaned the work they were doing.It's a Catch-22 - if nudists come out of the closet, they sometimes risk some alienation, and if they don't, nudism remains a taboo activity, misunderstood by the general public.
By reassuring the nude-curious that they don't have to risk damaging their personal lives by advertising their real names whenever they want to practice nudism and meet other nudists. But my point about the performing arts is valid - you're saying that the quality of what YNA is doing is inseperable from the fact that its leaders use pseudonyms.
@ErikJakobsen I've explained clearly why I oppose fake names for naturist leaders.Perhaps you can explain how keeping their real names secret helps nudism and naturism.
Chet - I worked in the performing arts industry for the better part of a decade, where pseudonyms are often used by performers, designers and others for a variety of reasons. Does the fact that they use pseudonyms reduce the quality of their work in some way? I think the quality of the work YNA is doing can be judged independently of whether or not Jordan and Felicity are using their real names.
@JustinaWalford Nudism has not come a long way...nudists and naturists still hide behind locked gates and high fences, and free beaches are few and far between. Ask yourself why the LGBT community has made such great strides since the 1970s, to the point where gay marriage is now supported by a majority of the American people. It was because gays and lesbians came out of the closet. It is not pseudonyms per se, it's the general culture of secrecy and hiding which is keeping nudism from becoming mainstream.“Burst down those closet doors once and for all, and stand up and start to fight.” ― Harvey Milk
@ChetKresiak Well, if pseudonyms are your biggest issue, nudism has come a long way! :)
@JustinaWalford I disagree. The widespread practice of nudists and naturists using pseudonyms is the primary reason why naturism is misunderstood, and seen as something shameful by the general public. Btw, Felicity once wrote the following: "A call to action! Does this describe most nudists and naturists? Are we being all too complacent and secretive, perpetuating the nudity-is-shameful mindset? He’s right, it is easy to be complacent, quiet and go nude where it’s not challenged. But we want to challenge people and society."Perhaps Felicity is not complacent, but in terms of her own true identity, she is being secretive. Let this be a challenge to "Felicity" and "Jordan" to take off the masks.
@ChetKresiak Again, you call it a masquerade with no foundation. What lies are they presenting? And I hate to break it to you, a pseudonym is not the biggest challenge between nudism and the mainstream world. Far from it.
@JustinaWalford Of course the name "Felicity Jones" is designed to be a "persona". Also, a "fake name" is by definition a "falsehood". Do you have another definition for the word "fake"?There is no question that Felicity and Jordan are doing fine work, but until they drop the masquerade they will continue to remain "separate" from the "mainstream world".
@ChetKresiak You are working under the assumption that a fake name is a falsehood, or in another comment, a "persona". I don't see Felicity and Jordan doing either. They are open. They are honest. They always share their own stories to the world. They are 100% themselves.I feel like, if they are doing the latter, then it is not to be someone else, but instead to put a name to their larger selves. I am from the mainstream world and saw them and their exceptionally open identities. They write articles, man numerous websites and host events.They are themselves, and at that level, even people who do not put on a persona, a persona is thrust upon them from people on the internet. A pen name helps keep THAT separate. It is not for nudism the pen name exists, it is for being a public individual.
@FelicityJones: It isn't a matter of being an "absolute rule." It's about perception: leaders who are willing to associate their real name with their words are perceived as more credible. Those who are unwilling, sacrifice that credibility, sometimes to the detriment of their cause.
@ChetKresiak No, I wrote this post with an opinion like yours in mind. I still disagree with you, and I simply don't see it as an absolute rule of being a leader of a nudist organization.
@FelicityJones @ChetKresiak It should be a matter of personal choice each persons situation may be difference just as we nudists we don't beleive one size ody should fit all why make it so everyone has to deal with it the same way. If you life work situation allows you to be public with your identity then fine do that it works for you. But don't assume that it works for everyone or that means they are ashamed of being a nudist.
@ErikJakobsenThere is a difference between something not being seen as favorable, and something being illegal. Anyway, you can brush up on the law here: http://www.naturistaction.org/StatesProvincesTerritories/states.html
Which doesn't diminish my point that nudism, regardless of where you practice it, is not looked upon favorably by a significant portion of the American population.
@ErikJakobsen Nudism is not illegal. You are confusing nudism with public nudity, they are two different things. I just spent nearly 4 days swimming, playing frisbee golf, and generally having a great time in the nude with many people at my club. Didn't seem illegal to any of us.
"Nudism is NOT illegal in most places, but it is restricted to private and designated areas." Which means it's illegal everywhere else that isn't private or designated.
@ErikJakobsen And let me add that I don't believe that Jordan or Felicity have ever done anything illegal in all their naturist activities. I know that Felicity was arrested one time on Wall Street while participating in an art project, but the charges were dropped.
@ErikJakobsen Nudism is NOT illegal in most places, but it is restricted to private and designated areas. And exactly how do you propose to change those public perceptions when young nudist leaders are using assumed names? Makes it seem like they have something to hide.
Normally I'd be with you on something like this, Chet. However, let's keep in mind that what Felicity and Jordan (as well as the rest of us) are advocating is not the renovation of the local park, but rather an activity that is illegal in most places (at least in the U.S.) and perceived by a significant portion of the general public as sexual in nature. In the case of nudism, I don't blame YNA leadership for wanting to maintain some degree of anonymity.
@homeclothesfree @FelicityJones @ChetKresiak By assuming a leadership position, Jordan and Felicity have an obligation to set an example for their followers. I do not assume that "it works for everyone", that is putting words in my mouth, but I am saying that a leader that is not completely honest and open is not a true leader. Yes, Jordan and Felicity have done some wonderful things, but it's time they both came out of their self-imposed closet. This was a source of irritation with Robbe of FYN, and while I wouldn't ever "out" Felicity and Jordan and he tried to do, on this issue Robbe had a point, as did Morley Schloss, and other nudist and naturist leaders. You simply don't see pseudonyms in the AANR Bulletin of in Nude and Natural Magazine, and you should not see them in the leadership ranks of YNA.